Natural beauty.This one message board I'm reading through made me think about how so many people seem to hide themselves under all kinds of things. Makeup was the firestarter in this case - someone said they preferred women without makeup. And I agreed. Then a flurry of women flocked the thread and yelled something about us being chauvinistic, telling how should women dress and all kinds of wacky shit considering we honestly just said: "I like natural women, women without makeup." Even when I elaborated that it's just a preference, not a prequisite for what I'm looking for in a girl, it made very little difference.
So. This brings me to this page - I entered searchwords "Natural Beauty" to the search. What stunned me was that the most popular picture was a woman, who obviously had makeup on her face (at least lipstick), not even mentioning Photoshop. Of course the popularity thingy was probably due to the said woman having somewhat biggish breasts - some of us men are such simple creatures.. Anyhow, I did comment the said picture too, saying it was mocking the real natural beauty. As this has occurred less than 30 mins ago, I don't have an answer from the artist yet.
The rest of the results are somewhat less aggravating, with trees, flowers, landscapes and such, but still, I fail to see more than 1 woman without makeup in the first few pages. From a couple of pictures it's hard to tell if the woman/girl is wearing makeup, I'll give you that. And sorry, I'm not trying to offend you in the results if by some weird chance you'd happen to read this journal (Doubt this gets read at all but I'll write for my own pleasure anyway).
I also used Google, and Photobucket. Honestly, I never thought that finding a picture of a woman/girl without makeup would be this hard! So, now that I've padded the way a bit, here's the real rant:
What is it with people these days, why is it really that hard to go around all natural (no, I'm not meaning nude)? In specific, for women, without wearing any makeup? I happen to know maybe one woman in real life (apart from my mother) that can go to the mailbox without putting on makeup first. Why?
For the life of me, even how hard it's been tried to explain for me - I just fail to see the need for using makeup; Save for maybe some formal galas or such. But even then I think people could live without painting their faces.
Of course, some persons derive their self-esteem from it, and well.. I'm just sorry for their self-esteem if it's that low, and kinda pity them - and not pitying in an insulting way. I've been in the position where my self-esteem was so low I was thinking of killing myself and I know it sucks when you have no faith on your own self and looks.
But now I know better.
And no, I don't expect that people would just smack their foreheads and go "Oh! He's right! I've been a silly person!" and throw their 50 pairs of shoes away, or that anyone would magically get their self-esteem repaired to a level they can go about their own business in public without the need to feel ashamed (for what reason, I can never understand.)
But what I find just so damn funny and sad is that it really is women who enforce the use of makeup, not men. Most of the people in the thread who were thinking that without makeup is better, were men. A couple of women too, but unsurprisingly, their opinions were outright ignored by other women.
Also in threads that it spawned, and were active before the first "war-one" it became appallingly clear that women really are the sex that seems to put the preference on looks more than men, despite feminists always mouthing off what kind of perverts and pigs us men are if we happen to find large breasts arousing (for the record, I don't, too much just is too much). Among the things that were listed the most disgusting was balding - especially Androgenic alopecia (look that one up on Wikipedia, I did) - a condition which is something men have no control over, hairloss is genetic, and remedies for it are hazy at best, even if not outright pathetic with wigs.
That hit a weak spot, I suffer from it as my father did. I started gradually to bald at elementary school (somewhere around 8th grade I - or more importantly my schoolmates - noticed my hair had thinned), and even though I still retain somewhat of nice set of hair, I'm pretty sure most of it has been diminished completely by the time I'm 25. That's roughly a bit over 4 years.
Okay, that went on to my "tragic past" -section and not really relevant in any other way that why I got so upset about the whole deal. I'm by the way not ashamed about the fact that I'm going to become bald, since I've known about it my whole life, I've had the time to get used to the idea. But I know that there are many many men in the world that are utterly embarrassed about it.
Well, there were other things mentioned that weren't as personal to me in the thread, but in the end, the list of bad qualities - simply just by in appearance, was huge. I'm not sure, but I'm willing to bet it was, if even by an inch, longer than the list of negative personality traits. And I felt like someone punched me in the gut. I really thought that women really weren't that superficial, but apparently that's the case. And yes, not all women are like that. But the sad thing is, apparently quite a lot them are.
It could be, of course, that by some freak coincidence the handful of men in the forum were not that concerned about looks, but more about that the woman wasn't dumb as a brick, and the women obsessed about how long must be the penis of a man be and that he can't be bald. Could be possible, of course. Not counting that one out, since I know lot of people on the forum have come from another forum that is a womens magazine (Cosmopolitan to be exact) -forum.
So. What is it with you women? Why do YOU feel the need to put on your morning makeup so you dare to go have breakfast with your family? Could you even fathom the idea of going for a walk in the summer rain, without waterproof makeup, with the guy of your dreams (or even the guy that's your current boyfriend/husband)?
Please, discuss. If you even dared to read this much.
tl;dr: I just made a bunch of outrageous arguments about women in general. Cue the hordes of wimminz coming at me with knifes in their hands.
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P.S. I know I'm probably oversimplifying and overgeneralizing, and of course my point of view is, at the bottom of it, male.
EDIT hey it's an edit!: I've written continuation for this post, basing it on the answers here. Please have a look. [link]
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I think my eyes are my best asset in my face, so I use liner and some shadow to bring attention to them. I do not consider that I am hiding, but instead highlighting what I consider to be my prettiest thing.
That's about it.
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Nykyajan kauneusihanteet taas on niin iso suo, että sinne on melkein turha lähteä tarpomaan... Mutta itse jos otan kuvia, käytän rajauskynää, koska se tuo silmät paremmin esille... Ihminen on siitä hassu eläin, että kasvoja katsellessaan, se kiinnittää huomion aina silmiin. Niitä on hauska katsella.
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I have to say, I do find your point of view here quite offensive - not that I think you meant to be. As you say, your point of view here is male. What I find annoying with it is the assumption that if we're not putting on make up for men, well, we must be doing it for our self esteem (i.e. to look better to other people)! Nowhere do I see you consider that maybe, just maybe, some women put on make up because WE like the way we look with make up. That it could be an aesthetic issue - the same way we prefer blue clothes over red, we like an even skin tone over a blotchy or pale one?
>>>But what I find just so damn funny and sad is that it really is women who enforce the use of makeup, not men. Most of the people in the thread who were thinking that without makeup is better, were men.<<<
So it wouldn't be sad if women wore make up for men instead of for themselves? I don't know if you can appreciate how irritating it is to read something like this - "Men don't find it attractive! So...why do you do it?" God forbid women have their own standards of beauty that have nothing to do with men, eh?
>>>So. What is it with you women? Why do YOU feel the need to put on your morning makeup so you dare to go have breakfast with your family? Could you even fathom the idea of going for a walk in the summer rain, without waterproof makeup, with the guy of your dreams (or even the guy that's your current boyfriend/husband)?<<<
Secret tip, guys/boyfriends/husbands/family: Sometimes it's NOT about you! A good deal of "we women" are putting make up on because WE think it looks good - we're not doing it to please our audience! (And the majority of us are in fact capable of going out without it - we just like wearing it when we can)
I never used make up, because I don't like the way people are becoming more and more artificial and even common using these kind of stuffs (and moreover it's not good for health ; there are many chemical things in it).
The problem, nowadays, is that we're sinking into a biiiig photoshoped bimbo pool. Every woman hopes her boyfriend will be taller than her and have muscles. Men are used to think that every woman should be as thin as an anorexic one (but without seing the bones) and have a pure skin with pretty shapes... The only way to "look like" these pictures (which are, I'm effraid to say so, unhuman) is to try to hide anything that doesn't look like a photoshoped image.
Moreover, the pictures of people (and mostly women) which is given on TV etc are often something that CAN NOT be reached by someone naturally. For exemple, on TV, we are always told that cellulite is kind of an illness, without realizing that woman actually DO have grease, even when their thin and healthy.
Now, make up is something that totally shows us that people want to become less and less natural and more articifial, trying to look like what is shown everywhere. There are many cases in which girls who are featured have an horrible body (whith a technically impossible shape), but now we can't notice it... We get used to this vision of the world, and I find it terrible.
Because if human are disgusted by human appearance, they will become unable to appreciate other humans as they are.
I rarely met UGLY people. There are not much people who are truely ugly. Some are not in a good state of health (like fatness or anorexy), some have skin problems, some don't have shiny hair or I don't know what... But most people are nice as they are. The problem is that they're soooo used to hear "Hey, you, you're ugly ! Lets become like this !" on TV etc... That people are all thinking their appearance sucks.
Makes me sad.
Totally agree with you.
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Fact is, personally I look washed out without a little blush and lipstick.
I've tried going out all "natural" but I can't get used to it. And I have gotten comments on how I look tired from GUYS when I don't wear cosmetics. I think most people are used to looking at a woman with make-up, even though they might not realize it. After all the best applied make-up is the kind you can't tell she is wearing any. (make sense?)
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i don't really need make up, i don't like it and to tell the truth i am just to lazzy to wake up in the morning to set the make up ~~
but really, why? well let me see, guess i just own one lipstick (dunne where xX
i can't find "girly friends" because i don't want to I DON'T WANT to go there and say stupid things like "hey, did you see that new nailpolish? geez it's sooo cool" oO;
I don't know much cremes or technics either ~~
so why? but do you want to know what really shocked me? the fact that men started to put make up as well!! HELL YEAH!! are they crazy? MEN=MAKE UP? damn that's utterly strange and scary.... ok ok I will be honest if i go out, i will take some stylish stuff, but really the only thing i use is that kajal you know, the black stick for your eyes :d I like my eyes like that ^^
but that's not often, just when i went out like going on a bday party or a normal party xX sometimes for shopping outside :d
but hey that's not a crime *laughs. but to much like wearing, make up, powder, eyeshadow, lipstick and whatever o`c'mon oO
a friend of mine and I went out a few month ago and he often does that, starring at people and laughing then, why? last time he said "omfh xDD did you see that? she wears make up and you could see that, her face was much darker then her neck *laughs*" well actually I couldn't laugh but say "that's sick xX"
I wonder myself "Why do people have to wear that?" but isn't that obvious? man wants to have a beautiful face and a beautiful girl xX so the girls are doing everything to catch the man. It's not like they don't like themselves but they just want to be "perfect" guess they think with make up it will do :d
I will never be that girl, who will wear make up just for opening the door xX
I also don't care what other say, i am who I am ....
in fact, think about, make up makes you old, your skin becomes much more older than without *laugh*
hey i am looking like a child without make up and i am happy about ^^
so that's it so far, thx for reading and thx for letting me read that cool journal
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What about "I like how my lips look with this shade of a certain color". That has nothing to do with artificial. Let me remind you that there are birds that embellish themselves and their homes with stuff they find around. That is a very natural trend.
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>>>>What I find annoying with it is the assumption that if we're not putting on make up for men, well, we must be doing it for our self esteem (i.e. to look better to other people)!<<<<
If you use makeup for self esteem, you do it for yourself, not for other people. As you said. For those who use makeup for self esteem, they use it to make themselves feel better in front of others - so, even though you can say they put on make up for other people, in the bottom of it, they do it so that they don't have to feel themselves somehow less of a person, since they feel themselves less attractive without make up.
I do understand though, that some people like to look good, just because they can, but as with many other things, looking good is a perspective kinda thing. I view persons who like to look good, vain. Yes, you heard me. Now I'm accusing people who makeup, to be vain. But isn't it true? Why else would you use these luxurious modern, beautyproducts, if you weren't?
It can be argued if vanity is a flaw in a person - I'm not going to pass judgement on that, but I'll just say that vanity is one thing on my turnoffs -list. The list is imaginary, not an actual piece of paper, just so you know.
>>>>So it wouldn't be sad if women wore make up for men instead of for themselves? I don't know if you can appreciate how irritating it is to read something like this - "Men don't find it attractive! So...why do you do it?" God forbid women have their own standards of beauty that have nothing to do with men, eh?<<<<
I must confess, I lost your train of thought on this one, but I guess I was somewhat confused while writing the piece you quoted myself. But no, it would be equally and moreso sad if women wore makeup for men. But what I tried to express was - It's mostly the women who enforce this beauty sense that makeup is beautiful, not men. Yes, there are men who make remarks towards women without makeup, but for most parts I've heard women snickering behind eachothers back about this issue. "Did you see her in the morning? God, I didn't know she could look that chilling." etc.
Whereas I've heard time and time again, that a woman is most beautiful when she's shower-fresh. Meaning, without makeup at all.
Yeah, women have their own beauty standards. I just don't understand why they pass it on other women, especially if it's centered on looking good at all costs, in extreme, with cosmetic surgery.
And cosmetic surgery if something is about low self-esteem, trying to get approval and appraisal from others.. But that's a completely different topic.
>>>>A good deal of "we women" are putting make up on because WE think it looks good - we're not doing it to please our audience<<<<
Again, sorry if I offend you, but that sounds something like a vain person would say. What a stereotypical american cheerleader from a tv-series would say.
And don't get me wrong, I understand what you're trying to say, and I'm not trying to undermine it. It's just that I don't really buy it.
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I don't care about true and colourful make up (with ornaments etc... for exemple I have a friend which draw a different pattern on her face every day, and I think it's funny), but well, the problem comes from make ups which try to make forget our true face featuring something which looks like a barbie face.
(sorry for my bad english ; I hop it's understandable anyway ^^)
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